Terra Incognita

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  You need a messiah

  by StopTheTears in

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  you might well ask that question, do we need a messiah?

  yes, it would be logical to wonder whether a messiah would have any real effect on you.. .

  some whose opinion you may respect would assure you that the answer is clear and unequivocal: you definitely do need a messiah, just as much as everyone else does.. .

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  StopTheTears;

  "We reject the corporation based in New York, but we DO NOT reject the truth of our messiah and his plans for us and our future in paradise."

  You reject the corporation in New York, yet you use their images.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPq-_t-ANw
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  Changes are coming

  by startingover in

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  i see it happening.

  any comments on our future here in the us?http://www.evolver.net/user/soultraveller/blog/america_changes_are_cominga_lot_them_are_herechanges are coming ----.

  that will blow your mind..... #1 the united states has lost approximately 42,400 factories since.

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  Startingover; as far as how much we will suffer before politicians start doing anything effective about it, the answer is that they never will.

  I don't see anything on that list other than economic situations. There is no mention of Peak Oil, ecological problems or even political trends. These poblems I've mentioned will be the ruin of us all even if the issues covered in that article were to have no effect on us.

  Today will seem luxurious in the future. The US is not going to last too long as a meaningful nation but then don't think that China and the rest of the world are not going to go downhill along with the US.
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  Alert: Witch hunt begins Watchtower 15 july 2011

  by Gorbatchov in

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  reading the posts about the 2011-7-15 watchtower about mentally retarded apostates i foresee the following scenario:.

  1. congregational elders trying to get grip on non regular publishers and inactive witnesses.. 2. the good ones read in the watchtower that apostates are to find in the local congregation.

  3. inactives like me (i hate this name, but i use their language), and liberal witness like me, will be hunted, .

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  NikL: "So what does it say exactly? I haven't read it"

  http://www.jw.org/

  The Watchtower. July 15, 2011; Page 17:

  Suppose that a doctor

  told you to avoid contact with someone who

  is infected with a contagious, deadly disease.

  You would know what the doctor means,

  and you would strictly heed his warning.

  Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,”

  and they seek to infect others

  with their disloyal teachings.

  (1 Tim. 6:3, 4) Jehovah, the Great

  Physician, tells us to avoid contact

  with them. We know what he

  means, but are we determined to

  heed his warning in all respects?

  Gorbatchov: "because they are mentally retarded."

  Gorbatchov; they said mentally diseased, which is worse than mentally retarded.
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  May 21, 2011 - The Rapture Cometh!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  harold camping has promised that the rapture will be on may 21, 2011.. .

  they've put it on this van that "the bible guarantees it", so it must be true!.

  after all, would this face lie?.

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  "I predict that the rapture won't come on May 21, 2011. Does that make me a prophet, or just well read?"

  It makes you mild. I predict that the Rapture won't happen on any day of the calendar thoughout eternity.
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  Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

  by Terry in

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  i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

  of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

  but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

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  tec: "The fact that they have set up some sadistic test would mean I couldn't trust them, and I would definitely NOT play their game."

  In a 'thought experiment', it is assumed that the situation is transparent and beyond doubt. So there is no mistrust of the person who's setting up the test, irrespective of his morality or amorality. In fact, these thought experiments often times represent an equivalent dilemma without an intermediary involved; just a set of circumstances where the situation is obvious beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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  Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

  of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

  but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

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  tec:

  "I would also wager that of the people who have said they would kill both, or take a 50/50 chance, most of you would not push the button. It's one thing to be sure in theory, and quite another to be looking at the person you're about to kill, especially when one of those people is an innocent man, and then kill him."

  "I am also not convinced that any "greater good" has ever come from choosing the lesser of two evils. Not in the long run. Would it end with this one test? Would that person who pushed the button then go on to have a different outlook, an ease with taking life if he thinks it might save other lives?"

  Yes; I would press that button. As for the innocent man you may possibly kill, that is the doctor who obviously wants to cure cancer, look at it from his perspective. If he were in that position, of having to make a decision to either kill himself or the serial murderer at the flip of a coin, what do you think he would decide? Remember, if his motives for the cancer cure are altruistic he will see it not as a 50/50 chance of his dying but of millions dying. Go ahead and assume he is religious or not religious (religious people do not have a monopoly on morality).
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  Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

  of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

  but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

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  Quentin:

  "It is a delima without an answer, other than to say the 50/50 chance is the best one could do, also the interjection of what if does not apply to the question. In my opinion most would walk away, not many care for 50/50 odds."

  Folks; let's look at this from a different perspective. That of a cancer patient or someone related or befriended to one (quite a few people).
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  Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

  of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

  but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

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  Berengaria: "If we want to take a biblical view of this, wasn't Abraham asked to kill for the "greater good"?"

  It could be argued that God did not intend that Abraham actually kill his son. However, other obvious examples, from the Biblical Old Testament, can be given; although the counterargument is that God's idea of murder versus killing was different than ours.

  It is in the New Testament that a concept of absolute non-killing may be attributed to. Yet, in spite of that, the issue of "Christian" policemen and soldiers still remains.
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  Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

  of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

  but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

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  Berengaria:

  "Choose one at random. If it's the research scientist the outcome is the same. If it's the serial killer the world is cured of cancer and eleven people see another day."

  OUTLAW: "Flip a coin.."

  OUTLAW beat me to it.

  thetrueone:

  Since the consequences of making the wrong decision are so high, most people would refrain from pushing any button

  Some consequences are higher than others. It's clear in this situation which one would be worse; and to what extent.

  ProdigalSon: "Can't take a chance on killing the research scientist, gotta pass and leave it in the hands of a higher authority... "

  If you don't believe in a moral "higher authority", would He/She/It really condemn you for taking such actions? If you do believe in a moral "higher authority, how would you know that He/She/It is either testing you or is neutral so long as you don't commit any willful immoral actions?

  Furthermore, doesn't this assumption that only a moral "authority" has the right to take life, condemn soldiers and policemen; especially in view of the fact that they can sometimes make inevitable mistakes and kill someone innocent?

  If this "higher authority" did condemn any of the above for taking such action, how moral an authority would it be?
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  Twenty Centimeters!!!

  by tec in

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  we have hit ten centimeters and counting of snow.

  unbelievable, lol.

  yesterday it was green.

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  therevealer: "about 10 inches"

  Actually 8 inches. Which led m to believe this thread was about something else.